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Annual hydrographic variability in Antarctic coastal waters infused with glacial inflow
Maria Osińska
Kornelia A. Wójcik-Długoborska
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- Final revised paper (published on 07 Feb 2023)
- Preprint (discussion started on 04 Oct 2022)
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RC1: 'Comment on essd-2022-320', L. Fiorani, 01 Nov 2022
The goodwill of the authors and the amount of work are not in doubt. The writing is good and honest, not hiding the difficulties (fDOM and chl-a measurements). If this were another region of the world ocean I would have suggested rejecting the article. Keeping in mind that the region is remote and that the information presented-though partial-may be useful for other researchers, I suggest its publication.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2022-320-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Robert Bialik, 02 Nov 2022
We would like to thank the Referee for this comment and support for the publication of our article. We are especially grateful for recognizing that results presented here, even though not without shortcomings, have a potential for being useful for different researchers of the Antarctic region, which is certainly one of our main goals in this project.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2022-320-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Robert Bialik, 02 Nov 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on essd-2022-320', Mattias Cape, 04 Nov 2022
The manuscript by Osinska and co-authors details a long-term dataset collected in Admiralty Bay / King George Island / Antarctica. The dataset is significant as it is one of very few long-term multiparameter time series collected in polar and sub-polar regions, particularly in a coastal region. The impact of glacial meltwater and icebergs on the marine environment has long been the subject of study, and the increased export of freshwater as icebergs and meltwater from the world's ice sheet and glaciers have renewed interest in the impact of this freshwater on ocean processes and dynamics. While numerous studies have been conducted in this context, these tend to be limited to single / few cruises, and usually limited to summertime when conditions allow for easier access to locations of interest. In this case, year-round human presence in Antarctic has allowed for year-round observation of coastal ocean characteristic, a difficult feat particularly in Antarctica.
The complete dataset is presented in this manuscript, including details regarding missing data and data quality, which provides sufficient context to use the data in subsequent research / publications. The figures and tables complement the text well, presenting sufficient details so that data coverage and quality can be assessed. Given that these datasets represents ocean profiles, it would have been nice to have a figure showing variability of properties with depth along profiles. Figure 5 does present some aspect of this variability, however.
The instruments used in the data collection YSI multi-parameter probes, have a history of being used in a wide array of marine applications. I am not familiar with these probes, having instead worked with other sensors. Their use in the context seems appropriate, however. I have suggested the authors add additional detail regarding data processing (which they state follows YSI protocols with a link to the manual), as I am unfamiliar with the processing pipeline for YSI instrument and would therefore as a reader benefit from knowing more about it. The authors discuss issues with a small subset of the data which they trace back to calibration issues, and I've suggested the authors include additional details if available with the idea that such details may aid other researchers studying similar harsh high-latitude systems. Regardless, while absolute values for certain parameters may in some cases not be accurate, relative distributions for these parameters seem robust and reliable, making the data a valuable contribution.
Inspection of the data (in Ocean Data View) was facilitated by the data being accessible in tabular format in Pangea. Plotting the physical data shows few (<<< 1%) unrealistic density values (a parameter not included in the dataset but derived using temperature and salinity) due to low salinity values. Similarly there is some scatter in other biogeochemical parameters, which the authors discuss. Typically hydrographic data would first be processed using manufacturer software, and then potentially subject to further QA/QC via, for example, QARTOD (https://ioos.noaa.gov/project/qartod/). I am unfamiliar with the requirements of this publication as to data quality / status (e.g. raw v. L2). Adding additional details regarding processing as detailed above, here and in the Pangeo repository, would however allow for better usage of the data in the future (e.g. indicate to researchers the data should be passed through their preferred qa/qc pipeline). The authors have overall been up front about data quality in the publication, and I agree with them that the small number of unrealistic values does not impact the overall importance and robustness of their dataset.
Detailed feedback:
L 17: unrealistic instead of impossible
L 20: I would shorten the discussion of GMW and make it a bit more clear. For example, it's the export of freshwater that changes the ocean's chemical composition, not GMW itself (which is the resulting water mass). I suggest: "When freshwater from glaciers is introduced to the marine environments, it mixes with ambient ocean water masses leading to the formation of new glacially modified water (GMW; Straneo 2012). Freshwater export has in this way been shown to influence properties of the coastal ocean, with impacts on the hydrodynamics and thermodynamics..."
L30: I would change to: "While the majority of studies examining the influence of glacial meltwater on the marine ecosystem have been performed in the Northern Hemisphere, its importance for the functioning of coastal Antarctic waters has long been hypothesized (Dierssen et al. 2002)" (https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.032206999).
L30: Here again I would say "influence of glacial meltwater export on coastal waters" instead of GMW, since GMW is primarily seawater with a component of freshwater
L41: West Antarctica
L41 / L93: One thing that isn't obvious in your description is how challenging of an environment you sampled in. I suspect the presence of ice (sea ice, bergs and bergy bits), had an impact on operations. You mention it in L110, but it would be good highlight early in the description of the place that this is a remote and harsh environment.
L116: how often did negative values show up? Add a % of dataset for relevant parameters. I suspect it is small, which would further demonstrate the value / robustness of the rest of your dataset
L153: You repeat the fact that there are negative values a few times (see L 116). You may consider consolidating that discussion when addressing the underlying reason for the negative number (say, in L 116, where you introduce it in the context of observations), and then simply note that negative values exist in the plots which is discussed earlier. Also, you mention that negative values are due to methodological and calibration issues. Do you have specific insight / recommendations into what would have corrected this issue? It may be worth including here, as it could be helpful for other scientists to know whether, for example, a seasonal calibration is needed, whether a combination of conditions (extreme cold and turbidity) reduces the accuracy of the instrument, etc. You cite the YSI manual in a number of sections, it may be good to detail some of the content here to give context to how calibration is done and what parts of this process may have been impacted in your case.
L175: a detail, but the link does not work as is in pdf (fine if I copy and paste into browser).
L179: I would remove the mention of negative values here, as you've discussed it several times prior in the text, and focus on the big picture value of your measurements. Instead, I would use sentence 1, skip 2, modify sentence 3 to highlight details of the scope of the measurements, and finish as you do. You could otherwise add a sentence as you do in the abstract, after you've summarized the strengths and value of your data, stating that while absolute values of parameters showed some issues due to calibration, the relative distribution and seasonality is still insightful, as it is one of the few existing, long term multi parameter time series in polar regions broadly.
Section 3.2: Additional details on data processing should be included, as the description of the data centers primarily on the collection and sensor calibration. For example: what software was used to download / record the data? Was it recorded in a YSI proprietary format, and later converted in some software? Did the profiles go through any QA/QC or interpolation / binning, as is common for seabird data processing?
Figure 2: Excellent idea to have a visual of observation platform and sensors, as it is a unique environment to sample in
Table 1: I would add details in the caption to give context to the metadata, even if some of the details appear in the text. For example: depth was measured in this way, with depth >100 indicating that... While all stations are to some extent influenced by glacial input, distance from glacial front was measured only for those stations located within designated glacial coves...
References:
L265: Snazelle should be cited as "Snazelle, T.T., 2015, Evaluation of Xylem EXO water-quality sondes and sensors: U.S. Geological Survey Open-File Report 2015-1063, 28 p., http://dx.doi.org/ofr20151063." as per report (i.e. including U.S. Geological Survey Open-File Report 2015-1063).Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2022-320-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Robert Bialik, 13 Nov 2022
We are very grateful for all the comments and suggestions from Referee #2. We appreciate he acknowledged the importance of our collected dataset and its rarity due to limited amount of long-term measurement campaigns in the Antarctic coastal region. We are grateful for overall positive feedback to our methodology and presentation of results, but even more so for all the questions and suggestions of improvements.
Our detailed responses to them are as follow:
Referee #2: Given that these datasets represents ocean profiles, it would have been nice to have a figure showing variability of properties with depth along profiles. Figure 5 does present some aspect of this variability, however.
In the initial stages of our data analysis we actually did look closely into all the profiles in full, but we later realized that in this scale we are missing the point of the biggest variability of all the measured properties that were noted in the surface layers. This is why we have developed Figure 5 to truly show this phenomenon, and we skipped a step of showing the reader information on profiles in their totality, to make our paper as economical as possible. However after reading your comment we have realized that maybe this information is still worth presenting, therefore we have developed another figure (Figure 1 in the attachment) that now we are planning to put it into our revised manuscript. In your opinion this is a good idea?
We will have a joined response to three following comments:
Referee #2: I have suggested the authors add additional detail regarding data processing (which they state follows YSI protocols with a link to the manual), as I am unfamiliar with the processing pipeline for YSI instrument and would therefore as a reader benefit from knowing more about it.
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Referee #2: Inspection of the data (in Ocean Data View) was facilitated by the data being accessible in tabular format in Pangea. Plotting the physical data shows few (<<< 1%) unrealistic density values (a parameter not included in the dataset but derived using temperature and salinity) due to low salinity values. Similarly there is some scatter in other biogeochemical parameters, which the authors discuss. Typically hydrographic data would first be processed using manufacturer software, and then potentially subject to further QA/QC via, for example, QARTOD (https://ioos.noaa.gov/project/qartod/). I am unfamiliar with the requirements of this publication as to data quality / status (e.g. raw v. L2). Adding additional details regarding processing as detailed above, here and in the Pangeo repository, would however allow for better usage of the data in the future (e.g. indicate to researchers the data should be passed through their preferred qa/qc pipeline).
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Referee #2: Section 3.2: Additional details on data processing should be included, as the description of the data centers primarily on the collection and sensor calibration. For example: what software was used to download / record the data? Was it recorded in a YSI proprietary format, and later converted in some software? Did the profiles go through any QA/QC or interpolation / binning, as is common for seabird data processing?
Thank you very much for these questions, they certainly need some more explanation and will benefit our article. The measurement data was initially recorded to YSI proprietary format, handled by the manufacturer software embedded in all of the sensors. Through this software a real-time data filtering using basic rolling filter is performed that was done using default and recommended settings of the manufacturer. To be precise, let us quote on this YSI manual:
“As a sonde takes measurements, it compares new readings to those taken in the previous 2-30 seconds (depending on the selected option). If the new reading is not significantly different than past measurements, then it merely factors into the rolling average with older data points to create a smooth curve. If the new reading is significantly different than past measurements, then it restarts the rolling average of data points.”
The default mode provide optimum data filtering with up to 40 seconds of filtering on the sensors.
Additionally YSI sensors perform adaptive filtering and outlier rejection, again as per YSI manual:
“The drawback to a basic rolling filter is that response time to an impulse event is delayed, and the more entries in the average summation, the longer the delay for the result to converge on the true value. To correct this, the filter algorithm monitors the new data arriving and compares it to the current averaged result, looking for indication of an impulse event. When new data deviate from the average by more than a predetermined tolerance, the number of data entries within the rolling average is reduced to a minimum count and the remaining values are flushed with the new data. The result is a more accurate capture of the impulse event data, entirely eliminating the inherent delay caused by the rolling average.
Every time a newly acquired data value is added, the rolling average entries are scanned for outlier data. Although such data has already been determined to fall within the tolerances defined above, the remaining worst offenders are removed from the rolling average calculation. This outlier rejection allows for smoother continuous data results.”
Also automatically, through YSI software all the derived values were calculated from direct measurements (meaning salinity from conductivity and temperature, depth from pressure, pH from electric potential difference, quantities of turbidity, ODO, fDOM, chlorophyll A and phycoerythrin using linear regression from optical measurement results).
The gathered dataset was downloaded using YSI KorExo program from which it was downloaded into csv format that was later analyzed using Matlab. Using Matlab data quality check was performed. We have analyzed all the distribution of all the property values and extracted questionable values based on one of the following reasons:
- Notes from the measurement crew indicated malfunctions or some difficulties during measurements
- In majority of measurements in sites with depth smaller than 100 m, sonde after reaching the bottom showed unrealistic values from all of the sensors which was caused by the contact with the seafloor. This was best observed through rapid spikes in turbidity values, so in all these profiles we have cut out all the measurements, from all the sensors from before these disturbances till the end of each of affected profiles.
- Extreme and outlier data was scrutinized individually:
- Continuous abnormal values of a particular sensor during measurement day were extracted indicating sensor malfunction or decalibration
- Incidental extreme values recorded within otherwise reasonable datasets were extracted indicating some momentary disturbance
Despite this procedure, our data did not go through any standard QA/QC procedure so we will make that clear in our revised manuscript.
To be sure the above information is given to our readers we will firstly add another column to Table 2, describing our sensors in which we will add information from what direct measurement given values was derived. More importantly, both in Pangea and our revised manuscript we will add above information about used software and data management procedure. In your opinion will this be a sufficient amount of information in this matter?
We will have a joined response to two of the following comments:
Referee #2: The authors discuss issues with a small subset of the data which they trace back to calibration issues, and I've suggested the authors include additional details if available with the idea that such details may aid other researchers studying similar harsh high-latitude systems.
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Referee #2: L116: how often did negative values show up? Add a % of dataset for relevant parameters. I suspect it is small, which would further demonstrate the value / robustness of the rest of your dataset L153: You repeat the fact that there are negative values a few times (see L 116). You may consider consolidating that discussion when addressing the underlying reason for the negative number (say, in L 116, where you introduce it in the context of observations), and then simply note that negative values exist in the plots which is discussed earlier. Also, you mention that negative values are due to methodological and calibration issues. Do you have specific insight / recommendations into what would have corrected this issue? It may be worth including here, as it could be helpful for other scientists to know whether, for example, a seasonal calibration is needed, whether a combination of conditions (extreme cold and turbidity) reduces the accuracy of the instrument, etc. You cite the YSI manual in a number of sections, it may be good to detail some of the content here to give context to how calibration is done and what parts of this process may have been impacted in your case.
This is are some very good points and we appreciate them greatly, because we truly are almost certain of the main issue that caused the miscalibration of optical sensors of fDOM and Total Algae (measuring chlorophyll A and phycoerythrin content). YSI Exo manual outlies couple of procedures of calibration for the optical sensors, dependent on each sensor. These are either 1- 2- or 3-point calibrations, and obviously the more points of calibration the better the results of it. Unfortunately we have been able to calibrate fDOM and Total Algae sensors only using 1-point procedure, using deionized water as our 0-fluorescence standard and this proved to be an insufficient method. Therefore, we will put this information into our revised manuscript and recommend future researchers to use a more robust method of calibration.
Unfortunately the % of negative values of the properties is not small, in fact it is 77.82% for chlorophyll A, 70.87% for phycoerythrin and 60.45% but looking at the histograms (Figure 2 in the attachment) of their distributions and vertical profiles in the above figure we are convinced that their relative distribution is significant. We believe that the highest pick in the histograms describe the actual state of 0 for each of the properties. The only question here is with the fDOM values distribution but after further analysis it is revealed that during our measurement we have found that in majority of the samplings the fDOM quantities were very low, suggesting lack of dissolved organic matter in the water, but when its values rose, they rose rapidly, showing sensors great sensitivity to its presence. This would explain the two spikes in fDOM values histogram with lower one showing instances of lack of dissolved organic matter in water and the second one, its variable presence.
We truly appreciate Referee #2 in depth questioning on this matter and we will put this information in our revised manuscript.
Also, as per the Referee #2 suggestion, we will consolidate the information about our negative results in the section describing the measurement and data handling procedure and we will make suggested changes to a further text.
Referee #2: L 17: unrealistic instead of impossible
We will change that in the revised version of the article.
Referee #2: L 20: I would shorten the discussion of GMW and make it a bit more clear. For example, it's the export of freshwater that changes the ocean's chemical composition, not GMW itself (which is the resulting water mass). I suggest: "When freshwater from glaciers is introduced to the marine environments, it mixes with ambient ocean water masses leading to the formation of new glacially modified water (GMW; Straneo 2012). Freshwater export has in this way been shown to influence properties of the coastal ocean, with impacts on the hydrodynamics and thermodynamics..."
Thank you for that comment and suggested solution, we will definitely use it.
Referee #2: L30: I would change to: "While the majority of studies examining the influence of glacial meltwater on the marine ecosystem have been performed in the Northern Hemisphere, its importance for the functioning of coastal Antarctic waters has long been hypothesized (Dierssen et al. 2002)" (https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.032206999).
Again, thank you very much for the suggestion and reference, we will surely use it.
Referee #2: L41: West Antarctica
Of course, thank you for noticing, will be fixed.
Referee #2: L41 / L93: One thing that isn't obvious in your description is how challenging of an environment you sampled in. I suspect the presence of ice (sea ice, bergs and bergy bits), had an impact on operations. You mention it in L110, but it would be good highlight early in the description of the place that this is a remote and harsh environment.
Yes, it was a challenging environment to work in. We will add an appropriate paragraph describing it in this section. Thank you for that suggestion.
Referee #2: L175: a detail, but the link does not work as is in pdf (fine if I copy and paste into browser).
Sorry for that, of course we will fix it.
Referee #2: L179: I would remove the mention of negative values here, as you've discussed it several times prior in the text, and focus on the big picture value of your measurements. Instead, I would use sentence 1, skip 2, modify sentence 3 to highlight details of the scope of the measurements, and finish as you do. You could otherwise add a sentence as you do in the abstract, after you've summarized the strengths and value of your data, stating that while absolute values of parameters showed some issues due to calibration, the relative distribution and seasonality is still insightful, as it is one of the few existing, long term multi parameter time series in polar regions broadly.
Thank you for that suggested improvement, we will do so.
Referee #2: Figure 2: Excellent idea to have a visual of observation platform and sensors, as it is a unique environment to sample in
Thank you for that comment.
Referee #2: Table 1: I would add details in the caption to give context to the metadata, even if some of the details appear in the text. For example: depth was measured in this way, with depth >100 indicating that... While all stations are to some extent influenced by glacial input, distance from glacial front was measured only for those stations located within designated glacial coves...
We will add this information to Table 1 caption
Referee #2: L265: Snazelle should be cited as "Snazelle, T.T., 2015, Evaluation of Xylem EXO water-quality sondes and sensors: U.S. Geological Survey Open-File Report 2015-1063, 28 p., http://dx.doi.org/ofr20151063." as per report (i.e. including U.S. Geological Survey Open-File Report 2015-1063).
Of course we will correct this in revised manuscript.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Robert Bialik, 13 Nov 2022
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RC3: 'Comment on essd-2022-320', Anonymous Referee #3, 27 Nov 2022
General comments:
In addition to the thorough General comments of reviewer #2 with which I entirely agree I would recommend the author to attempt an a posteriori calibration of optical measured properties in order to resolve the issue of negative values thus increasing the usability of the presented dataset in comparison with future datasets that may be collected in the same area.
I do suggest publication of the manuscript after revisions.Detailed feedback:
L 21 suggested text “Fjords and bays where waters mix with glacial outflow…”
L 23 replace “alter” with “alters”
L95-L96 It is not entirely clear if bottom was reached.
Fig. 6 The background color for years 2020 and 2021 are too similar. I different choice would be preferable.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2022-320-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Robert Bialik, 28 Nov 2022
We are very grateful to Referee #3 for her/his comments, and we appreciate overall support of publication of this article. It is also valuable for us that this comment supports previous conclusions of Referee #2, with which we are also in agreement with.
Here are our direct responses to Referee’s #3 comments:
Referee #3: In addition to the thorough General comments of reviewer #2 with which I entirely agree I would recommend the author to attempt an a posteriori calibration of optical measured properties in order to resolve the issue of negative values thus increasing the usability of the presented dataset in comparison with future datasets that may be collected in the same area.Thank you for that suggestion and we would very much like to do a a posteriori calibration but unfortunately at this time it is impossible for us. One of the sondes used for this project (Exo1) unfortunately has broken down beyond repair. The Exo2 sonde is right now still in the Arctowski Antarctic station, but the process of calibration requires purchasing and shipment of specialized standards from the manufacturer in the USA to the Antarctic which can only by done by ship couple of times a year. Since our project is finishing now, we do not have resources to fund this transport and more importantly we do not have anyone from our team at the Arctowski Antarctic Station to perform this task. So, an uncomplicated endeavor in any other place in the world becomes unachievable due to remoteness of our study area. We do hope that nevertheless these optical measurements can be used by other scientists, however we acknowledge that possible future direct comparisons with other datasets would be problematic.
Referee #3: I do suggest publication of the manuscript after revisions.Thank you for these words of support.
Referee #3: L 21 suggested text “Fjords and bays where waters mix with glacial outflow…
Thank you for this suggestion, we will use it.
Referee #3: L 23 replace “alter” with “alters”
Of course, we will alter this.
Referee #3: L95-L96 It is not entirely clear if bottom was reached.
The bottom was reached only at the sites in which depth was smaller than 100 meters since this was the length of the cable used for lowering down the sonde. The information on which sites are shallower and which are deeper than 100 m can be found in Table 1, but we can see how the phrasing in these sentences could be clearer so we will change it in the revised manuscript to state this information plainly. Thank you for that comment.
Referee #3: Fig. 6 The background color for years 2020 and 2021 are too similar. I different choice would be preferable.
Ok, we will surely change our color scheme here.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2022-320-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Robert Bialik, 28 Nov 2022