Dear Editor and Author,
After reading the author’s response, I found that the author did not provide point-to-point responses to the comments or suggestions of reviewers, which made it difficult for me to catch all the points. Meanwhile, the file of the track-changed manuscript is the same as that of the author’s response letter, which makes it difficult for me to catch the main changes of the updated manuscript. Besides, I cannot open the link to the video provided by the author, possibly due to a firewall ban in my country. Therefore, I will try to respond to the author’s response to my comments point-to-point, listed as follows.
#1. I respectfully disagree with most points but ESSD, as a journal, does not promote scientific contention or discussion. It publishes “original research data and data collections” for two purposes: a) make datasets a reliable, fully citable resource upon which other research can build; and b) reward data providers by establishing their priority and recognition. This review slights the data; I find nothing about data availability, organization, etc. Not obvious to this author that reviewer understands ESSD requirements? Not possible nor useful to make changes to manuscript text based on comments form this reviewer.
Response: Thanks for pointing them out. I believe a data description paper needs to be easily understood by readers and can be useful for further studies or applications. ESSD, as a top journal, should have very high standards for the published manuscript. According to the revised manuscript, my new suggestions are listed as follows:
(1) According to the share data links, I cannot find metadata files. A metadata file generally provides information on the data itself to make users quickly understand the shared data. It is better to provide a metadata file named “ReadMe” for each link.
(2) I cannot open the link to the video. Maybe the author can upload the video to the peer-review system.
(3) Abstract. The research background can be mentioned in the first sentence. The following questions are suggested to be answered: What is the motivation for this study? What are the main drawbacks/limitations of existing studies on this topic? How accurate are the resulting data? What are the potential uses of the shared datasets?
(4) Lines 31-35. Sufficient citations of existing studies are suggested to provide a systematic literature review. When we have enough knowledge of existing studies, we can know the main drawbacks and limitations. We can also design effective experiments or methods to promote the development of science and technology.
(5) Lines 37-53. Suggest listing more environmental impacts of impervious surfaces.
(6) Lines 58-60. Does the author mean that the spatial resolution of existing remote sensing datasets is too low to reflect the thermal status of paved surfaces? The remote sensing data based on drones can reach very high spatial resolutions (e.g., 10 cm). The currently highest spatial resolution of satellite-based thermal infrared images, as I know, comes from the HotSat-1 satellite, which can reach 3.5 meters. The spatial resolution of 4 to 5 meters was achieved in this study along the line of the bicycle route (that is, a one-dimensional line with a width of 4 to 5 meters). While the spatial resolutions of satellite-based and drone-based images generally indicate a surface (that is, a two-dimensional region).
(7) Scale bars are suggested to be added for the maps shown in Figure 1 and Figure 3. This is a basic requirement for the maps of study areas in scientific studies.
(8) The legends on the color of the routes in Figure 1 and Figure 3(a) are suggested to be shown. Accordingly, readers can know the information directly from the maps.
(9) Suggest showing points of different months/years in Figure 4 with different colors. The units of temperature for the x-axis and y-axis of Figure 4 are C, or ˚C?
(10) Line 259. The unit is required for the temperature range of “-30 to +40”.
(11) Figure 5. The size of the text in the figures can be larger. The units of the x-axis and y-axis of the figures need to be shown. The names of the x-axis and y-axis of the right figure need to be shown. The colors of the points in these figures can be the same (all black, or all blue).
(12) Figure 6. The unit of air temperature is wrong. The unit of relative humidity needs to be shown.
(13) Figure 7. The names of the x-axis and y-axis (shown with units) are required.
(14) Figure 8. The name of the x-axis is suggested to be shown. The unit of UV needs to be shown.
(15) Figure 9. The name of the x-axis is suggested to be shown.
(16) Figure 10. The unit of temperature is wrong. A legend is required to explain the points and lines. The name of the x-axis is required.
(17) Figure 11. Both the names of the x-axis and the y-axis are missing. A legend is required to explain the points and the line.
(18) Figure 12. The x-axis with units is required.
(19) Figure 13, Figure 14, Figure 16, Figure 18, Figure 19, Figure E1, Figure F2. The legends are required for these figures to explain the meaning of the colors of these points. Meanwhile, the scale bars are also suggested to be shown.
(20) Table 1. The number and name of the table can be shown before the table.
(21) Figure 15. The names of the x-axis and the y-axis are missing. Meanwhile, the unit of the top figure is missing.
(22) Figure 17. The units need to be shown after the names of the x-axis and the y-axis.
(23) Figure 20. The names of the x-axis and the y-axis are required. Meanwhile, a legend is suggested to be shown.
(24) Figure C1, Figure C2. The names of the x-axis and y-axis are missing. Meanwhile, a legend is required.
(25) Figure D1, Figure F1, Figure G2. The names of the x-axis and y-axis are missing.
(26) Figure H1. The unit of temperature is wrong. The name of the x-axis is missing. A legend is required.
#2. Review expresses appreciation of inexpensive environmentally-friendly sensors and deployments easily applicable in many regions; good. Review also seems to appreciate suggestions for scientific relevance; also good.
Response: The author may misunderstand my expression. Providing appreciative suggestions is good for the development of science and technology. However, it is not good for a data description paper. The suggestions of a paper are usually summarized based on some evidence through specific experiments. However, the author only provides the questions or suggestions without sufficient supporting evidence.
#3. Most comments easily dispensed. Reviewer needs only to read carefully or watch example video. Wheel size, rotation, color etc. had no influence. Look at video. UV used to check visible data; read text following line 280. Supposed near-surface temperature profiles assume a basepoint or starting point; this manuscript demonstrates that ‘base-points’ vary as a function of surface type, surface temp, gravel, vegetation, season. shading, etc; check example video. One of these sensors (TMP 117) often serves as primary reference; does one need to validate primary sensor against itself? Swiss and US sensors perfectly validated (see Figs 5, 6). Information about sensor manufacture and performance, rarely available for weather service sensors, included on freely-available data sheets. Sensor outputs compared directly to NOAA Climate Reference station data; only 3 exist in Montana. I use closest (25 km) station (Figure 7). Reviewer needs to assess Figure 11; first (only?) season-long inter-comparison between surface data and CRN data. If reviewer knows better free open-access source this author would like to see it. (Please note: ESSD does not allow CC-BY-NC contributions.)
Response: According to the figures and relevant descriptions, I have already found the information on the bicycle and relevant sensors. I did not question the quality of these sensors themselves. However, I disagree with the strategy to validate the accuracy of observed data. For example, the air temperature can change across space. The observed air temperature data from the weather station 25 km away from the study area cannot be used as reference data to evaluate the accuracy of the observed air temperature in this study, because it is too far away. Meanwhile, the air temperature varies a lot from the land surface to 2 meters above the surface. The mismatched height can also be another source of uncertainty.
#4. Of course data only cover specific routes to and from a small city: one person on a bike. I make that point frequently and repeatedly throughout manuscript. I include vegetation and development (e.g. Demuzere 2022) categories, to facilitate comparisons with other studies. Multiple bikes carrying like sensors? Therein lies great promise. None of those cyclists will purchase standard Campbell $15k sensor packages (plus data access fees?) nor try to mount commercial sensors on a bicycle (several failed examples exist). But they might follow guidance provided here to purchase and mount $250 sensor packages of remarkable capability. As I contend in manuscript: bicycles should represent key component of future observing systems
Response: It seems that the author agrees with the point that the current data only covers a small region. The others can learn from this manuscript to acquire more data at larger scales. However, it may not be the objective of a data description paper. According to the ESSD website, “manuscripts that focus on methodology and model development should seek publication elsewhere” (https://www.earth-system-science-data.net/about/manuscript_types.html).
#5. Urban regions undoubtedly contain “roads/paved surfaces, but also include trees, grassland, buildings, and possibly rivers and lakes”. This dataset includes all of the above, geolocated at very high resolution, measured repeatedly over a full year’s worth of insolation, shading, snow cover, etc. So far, no other observations have covered more than a few warm days. What happens in deep shade, in daily- or seasonally-varying shade, when shade coincides with gravel, over grassland or on grassland under shade, or on paved surfaces under snow or ice? One can address these questions, accurately, with these sensors and this bicycle. Do we need more measurements in more regions under more conditions? Yes, as called for explicitly here! Those regions, if judiciously-selected, should allow multiple full-season measurements over pavement, gravel, shade, across all times of day. Until multiple cyclists accept the challenge, this represents a unique open-access single-cyclist survey.
Response: The author answered that “This dataset includes all of the above, …”. I disagree with this statement. Not all the land cover types are included in the dataset. The bicycle has not been driven over the building roofs, nor the rivers or lakes. The data mainly covers paved routes.
#6. Not sufficient to build “quantitative relationships with satellite remote sensing data”? This manuscript spends several paragraphs on plausible discrepancies between periodic (once or twice per month, only useful under cloud-free conditions) remote sensing data at (rarely) 10 m resolution versus these data at 4 m resolution under all weather, sky and environmental conditions. Review apparently missed those discussions? This author clearly asks a reverse question: how will remote sensors validate their products against high-res ground truth? Challenges ahead! Based on open-access data sources! What about slight GPS mis-locations?
Response: A remote sensing image is basically two-dimensional data, while the bicycle-based data is more like one-dimensional data. A pixel of a 10 m/30 m resolution remote sensing image covering the paved routes may also cover other land cover types (e.g., grassland, trees, and tree shadows). If we want to evaluate the accuracy of the above-mentioned remote sensing pixel, we need to know the true value and proportion of each land cover type in that pixel. The current data provided in this study cannot spatially cover the full remote sensing pixel to be used as validation data.
#7. As clearly mentioned, cooler surface temperatures of gravel surfaces long recognized. But, based on what data? Includes shade? Snow? Real world data, or generated artificially in a laboratory? Year-long or only on warmest days? Reviewer knows free open-access source for temperatures of pervious versus impervious surfaces under all conditions? If researchers want to explore UHI factors using an atlas of building- and vegetation-influenced surface temperatures, this data might make a worthy contribution? Reviewer entirely silent on this aspect. No comments on GPS registration issues, on daily patterns if shading, on snow?
Response: When the pervious surface is heated by direct solar shortwave radiation, it usually experiences evaporation of water vapor to release heat, i.e., cooling effects by evaporation. On the contrary, the impervious surface does not experience this process. Therefore, the imperious surface usually shows a higher temperature than the pervious surface. The author is suggested to read more relevant publications on impervious surfaces. |
This paper describes the utility of a bicycle as a measurement device for tracking pavement temperature. It goes into exhaustive length describing the equipment setup and the experimental method and provides access to the data. The author states that this equipment could be used to study pavement characteristics and temperatures with finer resolution than satellites.
The paper provides little discussion of how bicycles have been used for numerous local weather studies in the past, although he does provide a few references in his literature list, and does not describe how the bicycles were used in those studies. He does not describe other methods that could be used to do similar studies such as drones, and also does not mention how satellite imagery has become much more fine-scale over time and is expected to improve its resolution in the future. He describes the method of measuring air temperature compared to pavement temperature and notes that they do not correlate, but did not explain what factors might contribute to the difference. He did not attempt to compare the temperature discrepancy to the ambient weather conditions, including wind and humidity, that might be blowing the air from the land surrounding the pavement to the bicycle's path and contributing to the difference between the air and pavement temperatures.
The author spends a long time doing a correlation between the temperature at the nearest National Weather Service station but notes that the nearest station is about 24 km (14 miles) and 250 m (850 ft). In general, if a station is more than 10 miles or 100 feet different in elevation from the target location it is not considered a comparable record, so this seems like a useless enterprise, although in weather patterns that have uniform air masses, it might have some relevance. The correlations in the paper are discussed in general terms as "excellent" or "very positive" but there has been no attempt to quantify exactly how good they are so this does not seem germane to the main theme of the paper.
Another shortfall of the analysis is a description of how the use of a bicycle would make sense economically, since it is very labor and time-intensive and can cover only a small area at a time. This makes the use of a bicycle as a measuring device to be of extremely limited use. It would even more difficult if it were to be employed in a city or more urban area compared to the relatively traffic-free area of rural Montana. In those areas it might make more sense to use driverless cars like the ones Google uses for mapping, and that would also reduce the labor cost and improve safety since no humans would be involved.
I commend the author for an extremely detailed description of his equipment and his method of collecting data, because it could easily be reproduced from what information he has provided. It was clearly a labor of love. It is a very well-documented data set but of extremely limited use. Practically speaking, I cannot see that anyone would ever choose to use this method in any case that would require it since safer, less labor-intensive, and equally or more accurate methods are available using other types of technology. Comparisons of pavement temperature would be easier to do in a laboratory setting that provides an environment that could be controlled for wind, lighting, humidity, and other ambient atmospheric conditions, so it is hard to justify using this out in the open environment. If the author chooses to revise his manuscript, I would encourage him to include more descriptions of how bicycles have been used in other scientific studies, cut down the equipment and method sections considerably, remove the section on comparisons with distant NWS stations and provide some more general comments on the general pattern of agreement between NWS stations and his own measurements, and discuss what advantages using a bicycle has in comparison to other methods of collecting similar information.