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Oceanographic monitoring in Hornsund fjord, Svalbard
Mateusz Moskalik
Oskar Głowacki
Vineet Jain
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- Final revised paper (published on 08 Oct 2024)
- Preprint (discussion started on 08 May 2024)
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RC1: 'Comment on essd-2024-153', Anonymous Referee #1, 14 Jun 2024
General comments
The manuscript describes the establishment of oceanographic monitoring in Hornsund fjord in Svalbard covering nine years. The description includes the initial large monitoring effort, which is the basis for recommending a revised smaller monitoring program with fewer stations. The monitoring program adds to both the seasonal and cross fjord observations of the fjord. Thus, also considering the large impact from climate change on the Arctic, I find that this monitoring is unique for Hornsund and certainly useful for future (re)use in understanding impact from climate change in the Arctic.
Generally, the paper is well written, but with a few minor issues outlined below. The dataset is well described in the manuscript, but also here a few clarifications are needed, see comments below. For continued monitoring, I suggest that recurring calibration procedures are established, especially for salinity. The authors refer to the use of TEOS-10 and here I am a bit puzzled that the authors do not mention Absolute Salinity and Conservative Temperature. To conclude, I suggest minor revision of the manuscript.
Regarding the data files, there are a few issues ranging from minor to serious, see specific comments on data below. I believe that these issues are easily solved, but new revised data files must be uploaded before the manuscript is accepted.
Specific comments
Please follow TEOS-10 guidelines: “published values of salinity should be specifically identified as being either Practical Salinity with the symbol SP or Absolute Salinity with the symbol SA” (citation from https://www.teos-10.org/). This should be done throughout the manuscript as well as in the data files.
Line 42: Here, you mention Winter Cooled Water for the first time. Please describe this water mass briefly for the reader not familiar with the area.
Line 136-139: In line 122 you say “over 50” stations, but here they are about 100. It is not clear how many belong to the monitoring program and how many to “various research projects”. Please clarify.
Line 182-183: I find that you are very specific here, mentioning subjective commitment of persons. I would think that this falls within “availability of staff”. Please delete or rewrite.
Line 235: I find it weird that low salinity values mostly occur, when there is no freshwater flux to the fjord. Please clarify.
Line 243: On what basis did you choose these lower limits? Please clarify.
Technical corrections
Check the use of comma’s. E.g. line 41 “In recent years, warming …”; line 122 “Initially, the hydrographic …” and elsewhere.
Line 37: “… relatively little studied.” Check language and consider rephrasing.
Line 47: “… to occupy larger extent…” Check language and consider rephrasing.
Line 70 and 74: There are more than one survey, right? Thus, should be “Hydrographic surveys…. have” and “The surveys contribute to…”
Line 123 and 127: Table 1 only includes 11 stations. I suggest to move the reference to Table 1 from line 123 to line 127.
Line 194: replace “early years” with “first years”.
Line 279: delete “one” in “the other one”
Line 312: Insert space in mgl-1.
Line 436: Delete one of the “financed by”.
Figure 1, legend: You describe the yellow star in the text for 1c, but the star is much more visible in 1b. Please move this part to text for 1b.
Table 1. second line: “between” instead of “netween”. Comma after “In addition, “
Figure 2: Here, you are plotting data from stations BuBW_01 and BuBW_04, but I cannot find station BuBW_04 in Figure 1. Please add it to the map.
Figure 4: The plus-signs in (b) are not very visible and it is hard to see their colours. Please change to a filled symbol.
There is no reference to Appendix A. Please indicate the offset issue in the text and add reference to the appendix.
Specific comments on data
Hornsund-fjord_CTD: When plotting all oxygen data with depth, one profile stands out with increasing oxygen with depth. This is visible in the depth range ~75m to ~170m, where the profile ends with two lower values. Please check the data.
Hornsund-fjord_CTD_suppl: The variable “Depth Water” seems to be identical to “Temp”. This is a serious error.
The Dissolved oxygen concentration is missing.
Hornsund-fjord_SR: A minor issue: I was not able to import the data to Matlab using the import tool, as only the first two columns were visible. After deleting the header info, the problem was solved. Please check, if there is an issue in the shift from header to data. The other files were okay.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2024-153-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Meri Korhonen, 30 Jul 2024
The authors thank the reviewer for the thorough inspection of the manuscript. We are especially thankful for the time and effort used to check the data files and to point out the flaws found in them. Please find our answers to the specific comments below.
Specific comments
Please follow TEOS-10 guidelines: “published values of salinity should be specifically identified as being either Practical Salinity with the symbol SP or Absolute Salinity with the symbol SA” (citation from https://www.teos-10.org/). This should be done throughout the manuscript as well as in the data files.
We have clarified the distinction in the manuscript. However, the PANGAEA database where the data files are stored, does not use Practical Salinity as a variable name, but refers to it as Salinity. Therefore changing the variable name in the dataset would require changing the database. Nonetheless, we consider the policy of the database, together with our choice of discussing only practical salinity and in situ temperature in the manuscript, to be in line with the TEOS-10 recommendations. In the TEOS-10 manual (https://www.teos-10.org/pubs/TEOS-10_Manual.pdf, page 10) it is stated that "Data stored in national and international data bases should, as a matter of principle, be measured values rather than derived quantities. Consistent with this, we recommend continuing to store the measured (in situ) temperature rather than the derived quantity, Conservative Temperature. Similarly we strongly recommend that Practical Salinity PS continue to be the salinity variable that is stored in such data bases since PS is closely related to the measured values of conductivity."
Line 42: Here, you mention Winter Cooled Water for the first time. Please describe this water mass briefly for the reader not familiar with the area. The Winter Cooled Water is now described.
Line 136-139: In line 122 you say “over 50” stations, but here they are about 100. It is not clear how many belong to the monitoring program and how many to “various research projects”. Please clarify. The other 50 stations were related to projects ongoing in Hansbukta and this has been clarified in the text.
Line 182-183: I find that you are very specific here, mentioning subjective commitment of persons. I would think that this falls within “availability of staff”. Please delete or rewrite. This has been deleted.
Line 235: I find it weird that low salinity values mostly occur, when there is no freshwater flux to the fjord. Please clarify. This is assumed to be due to ice formation in the conductive cell and it is now clarified in the text.
Line 243: On what basis did you choose these lower limits? Please clarify. The limits were chosen by visually inspecting all data appearing to lay outside of the general spread. This is now clarified in the text.
Technical corrections
Check the use of comma’s. E.g. line 41 “In recent years, warming …”; line 122 “Initially, the hydrographic …” and elsewhere. We have inspected the text and added commas in the places indicated and in a few other places.
Line 37: “… relatively little studied.” Check language and consider rephrasing. The sentence has been rephrased.
Line 47: “… to occupy larger extent…” Check language and consider rephrasing. The sentence has been rephrased.
Line 70 and 74: There are more than one survey, right? Thus, should be “Hydrographic surveys…. have” and “The surveys contribute to…” This has been changed.
Line 123 and 127: Table 1 only includes 11 stations. I suggest to move the reference to Table 1 from line 123 to line 127. The reference has been moved as suggested.
Line 194: replace “early years” with “first years”. This has been replaced.
Line 279: delete “one” in “the other one” This has been deleted.
Line 312: Insert space in mgl-1. The space has been inserted.
Line 436: Delete one of the “financed by”. This has been deleted.
Figure 1, legend: You describe the yellow star in the text for 1c, but the star is much more visible in 1b. Please move this part to text for 1b. This has been done.
Table 1. second line: “between” instead of “netween”. Comma after “In addition, “ These corrections have been made.
Figure 2: Here, you are plotting data from stations BuBW_01 and BuBW_04, but I cannot find station BuBW_04 in Figure 1. Please add it to the map. The station BuBW1_04 has been marked on the map. In addition all locations of the core stations before 2022 are indicated (when the distance is large enough for them to be visible under the new/current locations).
Figure 4: The plus-signs in (b) are not very visible and it is hard to see their colours. Please change to a filled symbol. Filled symbols are now used in Fig. 4b.
There is no reference to Appendix A. Please indicate the offset issue in the text and add reference to the appendix. The issue is now referred to in Section 3.1.1 with reference to the appendix.
Specific comments on data
Hornsund-fjord_CTD: When plotting all oxygen data with depth, one profile stands out with increasing oxygen with depth. This is visible in the depth range ~75m to ~170m, where the profile ends with two lower values. Please check the data.
We agree that this profile looks suspicious and it has been removed from the dataset.
Hornsund-fjord_CTD_suppl: The variable “Depth Water” seems to be identical to “Temp”. This is a serious error.
The Dissolved oxygen concentration is missing.
Actually the data for “Depth Water” was missing, causing the following columns to shift to the left. The data has now been inserted, which fixed both of the above mentioned errors.
Hornsund-fjord_SR: A minor issue: I was not able to import the data to Matlab using the import tool, as only the first two columns were visible. After deleting the header info, the problem was solved. Please check, if there is an issue in the shift from header to data. The other files were okay.
We have reported this issue to the database administrator responsible for creating the final datafiles.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2024-153-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Meri Korhonen, 30 Jul 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on essd-2024-153', Anonymous Referee #2, 28 Jun 2024
Review of „Oceanographic monitoring in Hornsund fjord, Svalbard” by Korhonen et al.
The ESSD paper by Korhonen et al. describes a monitoring activity in Hornsund Fjord. The focus is on oceanographic measurements at a few selected sites in the fjord, complemented with some sediment studies. The monitoring was initiated almost one decade ago and is composed of ~monthly occupations via small boat from the Polish Polar station. The paper is generally well-written and clear, but some questions remain that are specific to the monitoring activities and the expected scientific goals, which I would encourage the authors to address before publication of the paper.
The way I read the manuscript, the main focus of the activities is to understand the influence of the warm Atlantic water on the fjord, mainly in order to monitor the future of the numerous glaciers in the region. The main focus is therefore on the oceanographic conditions in the fjord, but considering the oceanography focus, I am slightly surprised by the choices of instruments that are being used. The main CTDs used are made by SAIV and Valeport, and based on the specifications (low sampling frequency, coarse conductivity accuracy) do not seem ideal for thorough oceanographic monitoring. Why does the program not use “standard” Seabird (for instance SBE16) or RBR instruments, which are equally easy to handle and arguably may provide better data quality? Is this a funding decision only?
The introduction could discuss the larger-scale importance of Hornsund fjord. Is the fjord only of regional importance or would for instance enhanced glacial melt have any impact on the exchange with the water masses and circulation outside of the fjord? Greenland melt of course is on much larger magnitude with much higher impact on climate, but maybe it would be good to put the Svalbard glaciers into perspective. The introduction (line 33-35) talks about ecosystem, nutrients, chemical composition. Can you provide more background on the ecosystem? Is the fjord productive, is it important for fish, birds, mammals? If part of the monitoring interest is on the ecosystem, why does the list of sampling parameters not include anything besides oxygen and turbidity? To me it is not clear, why the second focus of the program besides oceanography is on sediment traps/turbidity (line 73-74). Is this only to catch runoff from land and glaciers or also to capture biological productivity within the water column?
Also, in the introduction, it is stated that tides, winds, coastal trapped waves are important transport drivers. These processes occur on shorter temporal scales than is covered by ~monthly CTD casts. Considering, that the program includes mooring sediment traps already, would moored oceanographic instruments not be useful additions to cover the higher temporal scales? I am probably overshooting the goals of the monitoring here, so I apologise. However, along the same lines, how was the spatial station coverage determined? Lines 123-127 state that the data collected earlier indicated that it was not necessary to sample so densely spaced. This sounds pretty vague, is there a more quantitative way to underline the choice, for instance with Rossby Radius arguments?
Some more specific comments below:
172-173: The BUBW01 example used to state that the horizontal differences are small seems to be from a really small side arm. Is this a representative example?
182 “…subjective commitment of the person…” sounds quite unprofessional. Is the irregular sampling coverage going to affect upcoming analyses?
205 remind the reader of the water depths at the 2 sediment trap sites here
229 it probably would be more up to date to present the data as conservative temperature and absolute salinity
248-252 about running the sensor into the bottom: perhaps think of using a 5m (or so) lead line with a weight below the CTD. This way the user can feel once the weight is at the seafloor and reduce the lowering speed to avoid running the CTD into the ground, which apparently affects the data quality
253 “the data are compressed to 1 dbar”. What does that mean exactly? Sampling with 0.5 Hz and a lowering speed of 0.4m/s (but often faster) results in 1 or less sample per meter. This seems unnecessarily coarse and might be one argument to use other CTDs.
Fig 1: PPS and the yellow star is not easy to find
Fig 6, 285-294: I find that the characteristics described in the text are not entirely easy to see in the figures.
299-300: also really difficult to see. Might be the choice of colors or maybe it’s just my eyes…
Fig. 7: why is Hansbukta chosen? Are tides important there? In such a shallow bay with tides and other mixing mechanisms it may not be surprising to have a homogeny water body. The vertical lines are kind of difficult to see, at least in my version.
Fig6/7: is there really no sea ice at all in Hornsund during winter? The near-freezing temperatures do seem to suggest complete overturning and ice formation during winter and stratification and warming during summer.
345 If knowing the exact depth is important, one could attach a small pressure sensor to the device
399 Seabird not Seebird
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2024-153-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Meri Korhonen, 30 Jul 2024
The authors are grateful for the reviewer for the insightful comments and the suggestions for improving both the manuscript as well as the monitoring program and the quality of measurements. As stated in the manuscript, we were not aware of the offset in the SAIV conductivity sensor before 2019 and even when the offset was found out, we assumed it applied to one instrument and/or one faulty calibration and that the same problem would not apply to the new instrument. However, in 2023 the monitoring program used RBR CTDs in parallel with SAIV and since 2024 the main instrument for the monitoring is RBR CTD. In addition to turbidity and oxygen, the RBR instruments include sensors for measuring pCO2, pH, PAR and Chlorophyll A in order to include biological and chemical observations in the monitoring program. Because of the additional parameters and only one year of data, the data recorded by the RBR instruments are not discussed in this manuscript.
We have now tried to address the reviewer’s wishes to briefly discuss the large-scale importance and effects of hydrographic changes in the introduction and conclusion parts of the manuscript. In addition, a sentence and couple references on the ecosystem/biology in Hornsund/West Spitsbergen fjords has been added.
The reviewer is correct that with the sediment measurements the aim is to catch the runoff and the terrestrial matter discharge from land to ocean. With the amount of organic matter, the data also shows variability in biological production. We have now replaced the first sentence of the section 3.2 to the introduction and added a sentence in order to be clearer with our motivation to monitor sedimentation and suspended sediment concentration.
Unfortunately, we cannot use the Rossby radius as a quantitative argument for the chosen spacing of the CTD stations. In relatively shallow coastal waters around Svalbard the Rossby radius varies with seasons from 1 to 7 km. The distances between the current monitoring stations are larger than that, suggesting that it would be necessary to have a more densely spaced array than is currently in use. However, besides of the visual inspection of the collected data, the amount of monitoring stations was also based on the time and effort required to maintain the desired frequency of measurements. We have now added a sentence clarifying this.
Our responses to the specific comments can be found below.
172-173: The BUBW01 example used to state that the horizontal differences are small seems to be from a really small side arm. Is this a representative example?
We have chosen BuBW_01 as an example because the distance between the old (pre 2022) and new (since 2022) locations is the largest (1.5 km, Table 1) for this station, and therefore it is plausible to assume the horizontal differences in water properties are also the largest for this station. In Fig. 2 we compare stations in the Western Burgerbukta with distance of 2.2 km. Most of the stations measured since 2022 are from the side arms and only one station, FC_01, is from the central fjord. However, the location of the FC_01 changed only by 500 m in 2022. We have clarified this choice in the text now.
182 “…subjective commitment of the person…” sounds quite unprofessional. Is the irregular sampling coverage going to affect upcoming analyses?
This has been removed. The irregular sampling coverage is possibly a challenge for some analyses and therefore the aim of the monitoring program is to cover the whole period from May to October each year. Unfortunately, due to circumstances such as COVID-19 pandemic, this has not been possible each year.
205 remind the reader of the water depths at the 2 sediment trap sites here
The depths have now been included in the first paragraph of the section where the stations for water sampling and sediment traps are introduced.
229 it probably would be more up to date to present the data as conservative temperature and absolute salinity
We are aware of this, but as, for example, the water mass definitions in the West Spitsbergen fjords are based on practical salinity and in situ/ potential temperature (e.g. Nilsen et al., 2008: Promińska et al., 2018), we have decided to use them. Continuing to use practical salinity and in situ temperature as the main parameters in the stored datasets is also a recommendation of TEOS-10. In the TEOS-10 manual (https://www.teos-10.org/pubs/TEOS-10_Manual.pdf, page 10) it is stated that “Data stored in national and international data bases should, as a matter of principle, be measured values rather than derived quantities. Consistent with this, we recommend continuing to store the measured (in situ) temperature rather than the derived quantity, Conservative Temperature. Similarly we strongly recommend that Practical Salinity PS continue to be the salinity variable that is stored in such data bases since PS is closely related to the measured values of conductivity.”
248-252 about running the sensor into the bottom: perhaps think of using a 5m (or so) lead line with a weight below the CTD. This way the user can feel once the weight is at the seafloor and reduce the lowering speed to avoid running the CTD into the ground, which apparently affects the data quality
This is a good suggestion and currently we are using such a system with the RBR instruments, which have the sensors in the bottom. As described in the text, we did not consider this necessary with the SAIV CTD which had the sensors in the top part of the instrument, but it would have been good practice with the Valeport miniCTD. However, as the Valeport miniCTD had a high enough sampling frequency, we did not need to include the up-profile, which was compromised by the bottom contact with the sediments, for the final data.
253 “the data are compressed to 1 dbar”. What does that mean exactly? Sampling with 0.5 Hz and a lowering speed of 0.4m/s (but often faster) results in 1 or less sample per meter. This seems unnecessarily coarse and might be one argument to use other CTDs.
We are aware of the coarseness of the raw data and therefore we have included also the up-profile for the averaged data, which typically increases the number of measurements to 2 or 3 per meter. This has now been clarified in the text.
Fig 1: PPS and the yellow star is not easy to find
The star is now made bigger.
Fig 6, 285-294: I find that the characteristics described in the text are not entirely easy to see in the figures.
299-300: also really difficult to see. Might be the choice of colors or maybe it’s just my eyes…
As the aim is here to present merely an overview of the data, not analysis, we chose not to change the figure in order to better illustrate the discussed details. Instead we rewrote the text to focus more on the general ranges.
Fig. 7: why is Hansbukta chosen? Are tides important there? In such a shallow bay with tides and other mixing mechanisms it may not be surprising to have a homogeny water body. The vertical lines are kind of difficult to see, at least in my version.
Hansbukta was chosen as an example simply because the seasonal coverage is in general the longest there due to its closeness to the Polish Polar Station. This has been clarified in the text and also the importance of tidal mixing is now mentioned.
Fig6/7: is there really no sea ice at all in Hornsund during winter? The near-freezing temperatures do seem to suggest complete overturning and ice formation during winter and stratification and warming during summer.
We are not using these figures to make statements on the absence of sea ice, but on the contrary, agree that the water properties show ice formation during winter and established stratification during summer. Figure 6 shows data only from August, but also in this figure the influence of ice formation is seen as the remnants of cold Winter Cooled Water close to the bottom. We have now clarified this in the text.
345 If knowing the exact depth is important, one could attach a small pressure sensor to the device
Occasionally the CTD has been used for this purpose when taking water samples. However, knowing the exact depth is not as important as sampling from constant depths. Here we wanted merely to acknowledge possible sources for uncertainties.
399 Seabird not Seebird
This has been corrected.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2024-153-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Meri Korhonen, 30 Jul 2024