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HIPPO environmental monitoring: impact of phytoplankton dynamics on water column chemistry and the sclerochronology of the king scallop (Pecten maximus) as a biogenic archive for past primary production reconstructions
Valentin Siebert
Brivaëla Moriceau
Lukas Fröhlich
Bernd R. Schöne
Erwan Amice
Beatriz Beker
Kevin Bihannic
Isabelle Bihannic
Gaspard Delebecq
Jérémy Devesa
Morgane Gallinari
Yoan Germain
Émilie Grossteffan
Klaus Peter Jochum
Thierry Le Bec
Manon Le Goff
Céline Liorzou
Aude Leynaert
Claudie Marec
Marc Picheral
Peggy Rimmelin-Maury
Marie-Laure Rouget
Matthieu Waeles
Julien Thébault
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- Final revised paper (published on 27 Jul 2023)
- Preprint (discussion started on 02 Feb 2023)
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RC1: 'Comment on essd-2023-39', Niels de Winter, 16 May 2023
Dear ESSD editorial team, dear authors,
Thank you for asking my opinion on this nice dataset contribution. I enjoyed reading about these detailed monitoring experiments which are highly useful to the sclerochronology community. Please find my minor comments below.
General comments
In their submission, the authors present and discuss a dataset containing oceanographic and geochemical measurements carried out in the Bay of Brest between January-March and October-December (depending on the parameter) during a monitoring experiment. The goal of this monitoring is to provide data on environmental variables that may influence the calcification and shell composition of marine mollusks (specifically the scallop pecten maximus). Mollusk shells are important archives of short-term (days to seasons) chemical and oceanographic variability in the shallow marine environment, and measurements in scallop shells that grew under known environmental conditions are instrumental in decoding these shell archives. In fact, several of the authors of this contribution have already demonstrated the value of these monitored growth experiments for developing scallop shells as archives for environmental change (e.g. (Chauvaud et al., 2011; Thébault et al., 2022; Fröhlich et al., 2022).
Reconstructions of primary productivity are among the most promising recent applications for these shell records, and recently developed productivity proxies show great potential to record this elusive but highly important component of the shallow marine environment. Therefore, this dataset will be of great value to the sclerochronology community, and this contribution is very timely given the renewed interest in mollusk shell geochemistry in the past years. The fact that the authors present it together with data from the scallop shells helps to show the utility of this monitoring data. In summary, I am glad to see this important work done and highly recommend publication of this data manuscript. My suggestions below will hopefully help the authors to slightly improve their manuscript, which already reads very well.
Specific comments
The monitoring and sampling strategies described by the authors are impressive. They collected a wide array of parameters in the Bay of Brest and deployed a stunning number (over 2500!) of P. maximus specimens in their study area. The material the consortium can obtain from these shells and which can be directly linked to in situ monitoring can feed academic studies for years to come.
The only downside of this dataset I can think of is that only one year of measurements is available. Based on the presented work, I am not sure if the authors aim to keep this monitoring in place for an extended period. If so, perhaps they can mention this in the text to show the reader that this dataset is a growing product. The downside of limiting the dataset to one year/season would be that many of the environmental variables in the region might show inter-annual variability, so the 2021 growth season may not be representative of the seasonal variability at the site. In addition, there will be differences in growth rate and perhaps in vital effects that affect the chemistry of mollusk shells between years and through their ontogenetic development. As it stands, the presented dataset cannot be used to test for this since all scallops included in the growth experiments are from the same cohort (age group) so have (approximately) the same age and are only followed for one year. These caveats make the conclusions drawn from the shell-environment comparison using the presented dataset limited in terms of their application to understand the growth and composition of “wild” scallop (and other mollusk) shells. That said, I understand that producing a dataset like this involves a lot of work, and even having this data for one growing season is a very important contribution to the field.
The authors describe the methodology of their monitoring in sufficient detail and, as far as I can judge, this sampling protocol is suitable for producing data of sufficient quality to make the comparison between environment and shell chemistry which is the main aim of the monitoring study. The authors did well to assemble a large consortium of researchers with the expertise to carry out these diverse types of measurements and bring together this multi-disciplinary dataset.
I find the differences in trace element concentrations between surface and bottom waters (lines 165-184) especially interesting since this difference is highly relevant for the interpretation of trace element records in mollusk shells, an active area of study.
In the section on geochemical analyses on the shells (lines 265-294) only Ba/Ca is discussed. To highlight the versatility of this method to produce multiple trace element (e.g. (Thébault et al., 2022)), I would highly recommend the authors to also briefly present additional trace element records to highlight the versatility of this dataset. I understand that Ba/Ca is probably the most relevant ratio for productivity work (the main aim of this contribution), but it would be highly interesting to the community to see the outcomes of trace elemental concentration measurements in the shells that show overlap with the list of trace elements that is measured in the water (see lines 165-184). To be clear: I am not suggesting the authors discuss every trace element ratio in as much detail as they do for Ba/Ca, but just to show a brief overview of the concentrations measured in the water and in the shells and their variability. Perhaps the authors can provide some boxplots summarizing this data.
Technical corrections
Line 207: “episodes” here should probably read “episode” (singular)
Line 267: “slabe” should read “slabs” I think
Kind regards,
Niels de Winter
References
Chauvaud, L., Thébault, J., Clavier, J., Lorrain, A., and Strand, Ø.: What’s Hiding Behind Ontogenetic δ13C Variations in Mollusk Shells? New Insights from the Great Scallop (Pecten maximus), Estuaries and Coasts, 34, 211–220, https://doi.org/10.1007/s12237-010-9267-4, 2011.
Fröhlich, L., Siebert, V., Walliser, E. O., Thébault, J., Jochum, K. P., Chauvaud, L., and Schöne, B. R.: Ba/Ca profiles in shells of Pecten maximus – A proxy for specific primary producers rather than bulk phytoplankton, Chemical Geology, 593, 120743, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chemgeo.2022.120743, 2022.
Thébault, J., Jolivet, A., Waeles, M., Tabouret, H., Sabarot, S., Pécheyran, C., Leynaert, A., Jochum, K. P., Schöne, B. R., Fröhlich, L., Siebert, V., Amice, E., and Chauvaud, L.: Scallop shells as geochemical archives of phytoplankton-related ecological processes in a temperate coastal ecosystem, Limnology and Oceanography, 67, 187–202, https://doi.org/10.1002/lno.11985, 2022.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2023-39-RC1 -
RC2: 'Comment on essd-2023-39', Andrew Johnson, 21 May 2023
This article provides a description of the methods used to obtain a large and diverse body of information on water column and bivalve-shell chemistry, an overview of the information itself, and some analysis and interpretation of the data. The methods used are ‘state of the art’, and the data new and valuable. I was able to access the raw results at the website indicated. They appear to be complete and are fully usable, apart from the fact that I had to change the format of the ‘time’ column (A) to reveal the contents - twice in the case of the Sambat probe data in order to obtain both date and hour information. The presentation is very good, but I have made numerous suggestions for minor improvements to achieve a final polish. These suggestions (‘technical corrections’) are made in the annotated version of the text supplied alongside these comments. Although they are not differentiated by use of a different colour or typeface, the suggested changes should be readily distinguishable from ‘remarks’ in the annotated text. I have not checked the references in detail but I identified one omission from a title (indicated) and noted that generic and specific names were not italicised. The references do therefore need at least some attention.
I think it is permissible that only some of the results provided at the website have been analysed and discussed in the text (for instance, only Ba of the various elements measured in shells). However, it appears from lines 5/6 that more results were obtained during the monitoring exercise than are represented at the website. This would violate the ‘Completeness’ criterion:
- Completeness: a data set or collection must not be split intentionally, for example, to increase the possible number of publications. It should contain all data that can be reviewed without unnecessary increase of workload and can be reused in another context by a reader.
This could well be a misreading by me, but if so a different form of words would be useful to prevent the same by others.
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AC1: 'Comment on essd-2023-39', Valentin Siebert, 19 Jun 2023
Dear editor, dear reviewers,
To begin with, I want to express my gratitude for your feedbacks on our article entitled "HIPPO environmental monitoring: Impact of phytoplankton dynamics on water column chemistry and the sclerochronology of the king scallop (Pecten maximus) as a biogenic archive for past primary production reconstructions.". We have carefully considered all comments made by the reviewers and have made the required revisions to our article. In order to provide more detailed responses to the remarks, I will address them on behalf of all the authors, addressing Niels de Winter's comments first, followed by Andrew Johnson's.
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Reply to Niels de Winter
First of all, I would like to thank you for your enthusiasm for this article and the broader concept of environmental monitoring.
In your comments, you state that it would be interesting to maintain this type of monitoring over several years to obtain the most representative results possible. However, such a survey necessitates substantial financial and human resources, as well as extensive time commitment. Preparations for this type of monitoring, including assembling various instruments, and subsequent data analysis took several months before, during and after the survey. Moreover, more than 20 people were involved in this monitoring, requiring intricate organization and coordination, which can be challenging to sustain over multiple years, especially considering each person's simultaneous involvement in their own projects. Nevertheless, it is worth mentioning that our study site, Lanvéoc, has been and is still subject to chemical and phytoplankton monitoring by the IUEM observatory since 2019, with bi-monthly expeditions. Regrettably, the observatory's measurements encompass a narrower range of parameters (excluding trace elements in seawater and shells for example), limiting the extent of analysis. However, we agreed with your perspective that it is unfortunate that our monitoring efforts were limited to a single year. Unfortunately, external constraints hindered us from conducting the study over several years.
Regarding your request to present element-to-calcium ratios in the shells compared to concentrations in seawater at the end of the publication, we believe this comparison is not relevant in the context of this article. Furthermore, the units of these two variables are inherently incomparable (one being an element-to-calcium ratio and the other representing chemical concentrations). Consequently, we have made the decision not to include these results in order to avoid making figure 10 and the accompanying text excessively long. We encourage readers and interested scientists to explore the data as they deem appropriate and manipulate it according to their own needs.
Finally, we have taken note of the few corrections you suggested for our manuscript and incorporated them accordingly.
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Reply to Andrew Johnson
Just like Mr. De Winter, I would like to express my gratitude for your valuable feedback on our article and all the suggested modification you made on the text. We have incorporated all the corrections you requested in the PDF document you provided. We are pleased to hear that you were able to access the data on the SEANOE platform. Regarding the issue with the time format, I do not know whether it was an actual error on my part or simply a formatting problem related to the computer's language settings. Moreover, as requested, we have paid particular attention to the ‘References’ section, and have made the necessary corrections.
I will now address your main comment regarding the respect of the ‘Completeness’ criterion. We assure you that no data has been concealed or withheld for the purpose of writing other publications in the future. All the data generated during the 2021 environmental monitoring has been made available on the SEANOE platform. However, it was impossible to present results for every single parameter in this article. Therefore, we have chosen to display only the results that we deemed most relevant to our study objectives, providing readers with an understanding of the type of results achievable with this dataset. However, we have rephrased the sentence you highlighted in the initial version to avoid any further misinterpretation.
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I hope that these comments answer the questions raised by Niels de Winter and Andrew Johnson and I remain at your disposal for further information. We are confident that this important work significantly improved our manuscript and we would like to thank you as well as the reviewers for your involvement in the enhancement of our paper. The revised manuscript is ready to be submitted.
Yours sincerely,
Valentin Siebert, on behalf of all the authors
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-2023-39-AC1